Are Leinster Fans Spoilt?

Last season, amidst drawing away to Treviso, losing an unbeaten home record to the mighty Newport Gwent Dragons, losing away in Newport and getting spanked home and away by Munster, Leinster fans were labelled as being “spoilt” by several members of the national media when calling for the end of the Matt O’Connor era. It was unreasonable to expect a maintenance of Joe Schmidt level of unprecedented success for sure, but what angered Leinster fans was how quickly basic standards dropped. Players were falling off tackles, passes were dropping and a crabbing lateral attack that went nowhere was punctuated by inane crossfield kicks inevitably ending in a turnover coming from an irreplaceable outhalf. Leinster went into the second last game of last season unsure whether they would be in the top tier of European Competition the following year, this despite possessing a squad which contained the bulk of the Irish World Cup squad and a crop of youngsters who had won back to back British and Irish Cups.

Leinster

Unhappiness at this was, in my opinion, completely justified and the writers calling those fans spoiled for being fed up with a continual decline in performance during the 18 months of the Matt O’Connor era were lazily pointing at Leinster still grinding out results in Europe. Leinster were lucky to beat Wasps at home, lucky to draw with them away, lucky to beat Harlequins at home and had the pleasure of an utterly hapless Castres team being in their pool. Despite playing well for the first half in the quarter final against Bath, Leinster scarcely deserved to squeak through to the semi final where they, in fairness, put in a very good shift and were unlucky not to beat an out of sorts Toulon who would go on to win the competition for a third time in succession.

 

What relevance do these comments have to this season you might ask? Quite a lot in my eyes. While the “spoiled” tag might  have been very unjustified last season, it is quickly becoming something which might well be appropriate if you cast an eye over some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter in the wake of the confirmation of Leinster’s exit from Europe following defeat to Toulon in Stade Mayol on Sunday. I have lost count of the amount of times I’ve seen “fans” calling for Leo Cullen to be sacked. He has coached eight Guinness Pro12 games, of which Leinster have won six, conceding 20 points fewer than their nearest rivals in defensive stats, gaining two four-try bonus points and one losing bonus point. This despite playing for the first five games shorn of between 15 and 20 first team players at the World Cup. He then had the difficult task of reintroducing those international players into the team for a Champions Cup campaign against 3 of the best 5 or 6 teams in Europe this season (with Saracens, Racing and Clermont for company).

Leo

Was the result at home against Wasps disappointing? Undoubtedly. It was as bad as I’ve seen Leinster play in the RDS. It might be worth remembering that the Wasps team we struggled to beat twice last season have been strengthened by the arrivals of George Smith, Frank Halai and Charles Piutau, and were mighty good on the day. Right to be aggrieved as fans? Sure. Calling for your coach, who was the most successful captain the province has ever and probably will ever have, to be sacked? That’s just awful.

 

Fast forward a week to the Bath game, where Leinster lost 19-16, and but for a faulty lineout (which has been a problem for at least a season and a half now) could have won. They played well, but their poor scrum cost them dearly, and ultimately that was the end of their European campaign. Again there were calls for Leo to be sacked or at least that this meant he was now “under pressure”. Rubbish. This is a team that, at peak performance and full of confidence, could be challenging for European silverware, but did we really expect that to happen this season with a rookie head coach with one year of experience as a forwards coach in a poor camp? I sure didn’t.

 

Leinster regrouped from that point and eeked out an ugly 8-3 win in their first interpro of the year against Ulster. The following weekend that got a break as the Glasgow game was called off. That same week, Toulon announced the signing for the following year of Francois Trinh Duc to go along with Quade Cooper, Frederic Michalak, Matt Giteau and James O’Connor. They introduced Ma’a Nonu while stomping Agen. No one expected Leinster to win in Mayol. There may have been blind faith that they could pull off a miracle, but certainly it was not expected.

 

Right from the beginning they looked to play from deep, broke out of their own 22 several times, and lead the game 6-0. The start was bright. Healy’s sinbinning resulted in no points for Toulon. Devin Toner’s resulted in 6. With 60 minutes on the clock Leinster were still within a try of the team which has a major trophy:player ratio far better than anything that has been seen in professional rugby history. 24-9 it finished, with another try at the death making the scoreboard look a little uglier, but Leinster played manfully. Their star outhalf didn’t perform on the day, the scrum was not as strong as it needed to be and again we lost a crucial lineout at a bad time. Again the comments raged, “Leo is out of his depth”, “Pressure is on”, “Leo needs to go”, all rubbish. Worse still was some tosh that Joe Schmidt and David Nucifora have ruined provincial rugby. Utter nonsense.

 

Listen, it is quite clear that Leo was not first choice for the job. If he was, the coaching search would not have gone on so long. Owing to the way the provinces are set up, with less control over the team than the clubs in England and France, and a lot less money, provincial jobs are not attractive to the Robbie Deans or Jake White type coaches who already have a high profile. Barring a strong desire to return to Ireland for personal reasons, even Conor O’Shea or Mark McCall would be nuts to leave Harlequins or Saracens to come home. Michael Cheika, Joe Schmidt and Declan Kidney were not high profile guys before they brought Leinster and Munster success. Matt O’Connor wasn’t either, and unfortunately he didn’t work out. Leo might not work out either, but he deserves a chance at least, and calling for his head after less than half a season, when there have been at least some positive signs is terrible. It smacks of arrogance, of being spoilt by the success of former years, and of short termism. What coach in their right mind would accept a an already somewhat unattractive job at a province where its fans are calling for a club legend to be sacked after 11 games? I think Leo might need some more experience in around him, but he has shown a willingness to bring some youth through and has got us playing a bit more expansively. Obviously it isn’t all good but there are some bright points.

As a fan your job is to support the team and urge them on when things are tough, and hopefully they can give you things to celebrate. This Leinster team has won 3 Heineken Cups, an Amlin Challenge Cup and three Pro12s since 2008. The fan base has had a mountain of good days. An ultimately meaningless game against a team of superstars in a big ground beckons. Not showing up and packing Lansdowne Road out to see the game, with the star power on show, would give a horrible impression of the fan base as glory hunters, unwilling to deal with the bad times. Losing to those three teams, particularly in the manner of the last two, is no great shame. Wouldn’t it be great if Leinster fans could get behind Leo and the team and maybe we can give Toulon the same medicine they’ve given us the past three years and go a long way to knocking them out of the competition on Saturday. Come to the Aviva and Come On You Boys in Blue.

6 thoughts on “Are Leinster Fans Spoilt?

  1. I’m all for giving Leo a chance. My take on our performances in Europe this season, is that Matt O’Connor did far more damage to our squad than was immediately visible. It will take this season and maybe more, to regain our confidence. With the likelihood the T’eo will be gone to the premiership, it looks like we will need the services of Henshaw if we can get him. We have been at the sharp end of European rugby for a long time now, and this dip shouldn’t worry us too much.
    COYBIB

  2. Apologies, but I disagree.

    The key question is, what was the expectation or ambition being set for the coming year when no marquee players were signed, & a coach with no experience appointed ?

    The decision was made not to sign any marquee players, notwithstanding past proven benefits of developing local squad players & adding world class diversity, at the very least, to also boost ticket sales ?

    What kind of message does that send to the dedicated fans, among others, 13,000 season ticket holders, who have committed substantial funds upfront ?

    If not a marquee player, why not get some gamebreakers, at the very least, instead of doing nothing ? Look at Glasgow – they’ve signed Taqele Naiyaravoro, a 23 year-old, from the Waratahs, who scored 3 tries in spectacular fashion in European rugby last weekend. He’s happy to move to Scotland on a 3 year deal, & qualify on residency basis. Probably didn’t cost much, but can’t you imagine Leinster fans warming to him ? Isa is a great guy, but what exactly does he add which will help us achieve the ambition ? Sorry, but the emperor has no clothes, & I’m not talking about Isa here, but rather Leinster Rugby, & their definition of ambition.

    Glasgow have previously had Matawalu, an incredible gamebreaking 9, on their books, while we’ve had two 35 yearolds ‘vying’ for starting slot with a team who you would say has the potential to go all the way ?

    Again, what is the ambition, & what is the plan supporting that ambition ?

    Time to get real, set targets, & importantly put the building blocks in place to achieve those targets

    • Some valid points for sure. My comments were kind of centred on the “sack Leo” reaction which has been pervasive following the European games and you don’t really seem to disagree with that. I think Isa has been good so far, and Sunday was probably his worst performance too. Given our abundance of options in the back three, as well as already having Kirchner on the books, Naiyaravoro was never going to be a likely target given his youth. He’s also been capped by Australia and would be NIQ. He is very likely to return to Super Rugby after this season.

      Leo has shown a willingness to start McGrath and I honestly think he would have worn 9 at the weekend if not ruled out by injury. Scrum half has been a problem position for a while given Boss and Reddan’s patchy at best form.

      Re no marquee players, bringing Sexton home was our “marquee signing” for the off-season, and we got Isa (who I reckon was brought in with a view to taking up a coaching role in 2 years time) as well.

      Naiyaravoro, matawalu and Nakarawa have been superb for Glasgow, but so have the rest of Glasgow’s squad, and a large amount of credit must go to Gregor Townsend. The coach’s role is somewhat understated, I think Leo was always likely to learn a lot on the fly and struggle at the top level in the beginning. He has shown some decent signs and talk of pressure on him or calling for his head is wildly premature.

  3. Don’t understand the Naiyaravoro comment – he’s on a 3 year deal & would be residency qualified thereafter.

    http://www.rugbydump.com/2015/05/4311/fijian-powerhouse-winger-taqele-naiyaravoro-signed-by-glasgow-warriors?page=all

    Also you mention Isa (‘has been good so far’) – is that it ? Will ‘good’ get us over the line against even one team in European competition ? Even in Pro12, where will we likely end up ? Are we seriously going to regard Pro12 as our biggest challenge ? How far we have fallen.

    I can only repeat my earlier comment – what is the ambition, & what are the building blocks in place to achieve that ambition. It’s hard to see the answer to either question.

    • Naiyaravoro was brought on the tour this summer with the Wallabies and was capped against USA http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/rugby-world-cup-2015-wallabies-beat-usa-eagles-after-firsthalf-shocker-20150905-gjg2a8.html.
      He has said he will fulfill at least one year of his contract but is likely to return south thereafter.

      I think the Pro12 is more valuable and competitive now, especially given only Glasgow seem genuinely to have the potential to win in Europe this season. Lots will be using it as their consolation prize and so it will be very competitive.

      I don’t think this team was ever likely to win the Champions Cup this year, it was a building year, trying to install a Cullen game plan. There are signs of it, and there are improvements to be made. If we can get the discipline better, and start playing for 80 minutes, this team will be very hard to beat. I see plenty of reasons for optimism, but I understand your disappointment for sure.

  4. Agree with most of what you write. However what stands out for me is the lack of picking players on form or to be more precise the lack of players being benched for poor form. Sexton is playing badly, Madigan should be given a start ahead of him. If only to give the man a nudge to get his act together. TBH he looks like he could do with a break for a few weeks. Maybe Leo could give him Christmas off. Also players returning from injury. why do some walk straight into the first team and others come via the A’s. Rob Kearney (and others) should be getting up to match fitness by playing in the A team before being thrown into the first team. Leo started his reign pretty well while the big guns were away on International duty. My worry is things seem to have stalled since the lads have returned. If players are not playing well they should be dropped no matter who they are. A stint in the A’s would work wonders for some and would be good for squad morale!

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